Comments on: with your hands on your head or on the trigger of a gun http://www.intelligentdesign.com.au/blog/2007/04/17/with-your-hands-on-your-head-or-on-the-trigger-of-a-gun/ a blog about things Tue, 02 Aug 2011 06:31:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Asmallchild http://www.intelligentdesign.com.au/blog/2007/04/17/with-your-hands-on-your-head-or-on-the-trigger-of-a-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-7233 Asmallchild Mon, 21 May 2007 11:13:18 +0000 http://www.intelligentdesign.com.au/blog/2007/04/17/with-your-hands-on-your-head-or-on-the-trigger-of-a-gun/#comment-7233 So you are saying guns don't kill people, people do. I have a different belief, and that belief is: If you have a gun you will use it. The Aforesaid student who caused the massacre walked into the building with a large armament. I think it makes a statement that no security officials stopped him when he walked into a university with such a heavy armament. clearly the solution here is better security officials or measure to prevent such freak a occurance happening again. Also i must note many arguments here have proposed allowing students to carry guns. Why that is madness you don't want to have to carry a Magnum to engineering. you are at uni to learn and adequate security should keep it that way, not adequate arming of the students. So you are saying guns don’t kill people, people do. I have a different belief, and that belief is: If you have a gun you will use it. The Aforesaid student who caused the massacre walked into the building with a large armament. I think it makes a statement that no security officials stopped him when he walked into a university with such a heavy armament. clearly the solution here is better security officials or measure to prevent such freak a occurance happening again. Also i must note many arguments here have proposed allowing students to carry guns. Why that is madness you don’t want to have to carry a Magnum to engineering. you are at uni to learn and adequate security should keep it that way, not adequate arming of the students.

]]> By: Paul http://www.intelligentdesign.com.au/blog/2007/04/17/with-your-hands-on-your-head-or-on-the-trigger-of-a-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-6294 Paul Thu, 10 May 2007 05:32:37 +0000 http://www.intelligentdesign.com.au/blog/2007/04/17/with-your-hands-on-your-head-or-on-the-trigger-of-a-gun/#comment-6294 Yeah I saw that - I mean, that's the whole problem with guns, really: people. And people getting angry. And people getting angry with easy and immediate access to guns. I wonder what game they were playing? We should ban it. Yeah I saw that – I mean, that’s the whole problem with guns, really: people. And people getting angry. And people getting angry with easy and immediate access to guns.

I wonder what game they were playing? We should ban it.

]]> By: Karloskar http://www.intelligentdesign.com.au/blog/2007/04/17/with-your-hands-on-your-head-or-on-the-trigger-of-a-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-6140 Karloskar Wed, 09 May 2007 02:29:12 +0000 http://www.intelligentdesign.com.au/blog/2007/04/17/with-your-hands-on-your-head-or-on-the-trigger-of-a-gun/#comment-6140 If only all people involved had carried guns, <a href="http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21699473-1702,00.html" rel="nofollow">this</a> could have ended peacefully. If only all people involved had carried guns, this could have ended peacefully.

]]> By: Paul http://www.intelligentdesign.com.au/blog/2007/04/17/with-your-hands-on-your-head-or-on-the-trigger-of-a-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-5105 Paul Thu, 26 Apr 2007 03:25:24 +0000 http://www.intelligentdesign.com.au/blog/2007/04/17/with-your-hands-on-your-head-or-on-the-trigger-of-a-gun/#comment-5105 Ban Justin Timberlake immediately... I'm so proud that this qualifies as a <blockquote>God-forgotten self-loving blog</blockquote> Ban Justin Timberlake immediately…

I’m so proud that this qualifies as a

God-forgotten self-loving blog

]]> By: Joe http://www.intelligentdesign.com.au/blog/2007/04/17/with-your-hands-on-your-head-or-on-the-trigger-of-a-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-4865 Joe Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:43:17 +0000 http://www.intelligentdesign.com.au/blog/2007/04/17/with-your-hands-on-your-head-or-on-the-trigger-of-a-gun/#comment-4865 "The sites also suggested a recent break-up, quoting maudlin love songs by Justin Timberlake and Katie Melua". that was the funniest bit from <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/the-internet-thinks-its-me/2007/04/17/1176696821109.html" rel="nofollow">that article</a> “The sites also suggested a recent break-up, quoting maudlin love songs by Justin Timberlake and Katie Melua”. that was the funniest bit from that article

]]> By: gunloving psycho http://www.intelligentdesign.com.au/blog/2007/04/17/with-your-hands-on-your-head-or-on-the-trigger-of-a-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-4692 gunloving psycho Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:54:28 +0000 http://www.intelligentdesign.com.au/blog/2007/04/17/with-your-hands-on-your-head-or-on-the-trigger-of-a-gun/#comment-4692 Pete, you're the only voice of reason here on this God-forgotten self-loving blog. The rest of you should be deported. Pete, you’re the only voice of reason here on this God-forgotten self-loving blog.
The rest of you should be deported.

]]> By: Paul http://www.intelligentdesign.com.au/blog/2007/04/17/with-your-hands-on-your-head-or-on-the-trigger-of-a-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-4636 Paul Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:03:26 +0000 http://www.intelligentdesign.com.au/blog/2007/04/17/with-your-hands-on-your-head-or-on-the-trigger-of-a-gun/#comment-4636 <blockquote>It seems better to me to restrict everyone, even if that means limiting the freedom of all.</blockquote> I'm not sure it's even necessary to frame it in these terms. As someone pointed out elsewhere, people may kill people rather than guns killing people, but guns make it a hell of a lot more efficient. So what I want to know from pro-gun types is this: if guns are ok, are rocket launchers? Grenades? Silencers? Nuclear weapons? I'm sure the majority of sane people would say that (to take the extreme) private individuals should not have access to nuclear weapons or rocket launchers. But why is this different to a pistol? Ideologically I suggest it is not, and that an arbitrary line is being drawn by even gun advocates somewhere between "pistol" and "100 megaton nuclear warhead". So - that is really what this debate is about. Some of us would prefer that that line was drawn between "pointed stick" and "flintlock pistol", rather than above "Glock".

It seems better to me to restrict everyone, even if that means limiting the freedom of all.

I’m not sure it’s even necessary to frame it in these terms. As someone pointed out elsewhere, people may kill people rather than guns killing people, but guns make it a hell of a lot more efficient.

So what I want to know from pro-gun types is this: if guns are ok, are rocket launchers? Grenades? Silencers? Nuclear weapons?

I’m sure the majority of sane people would say that (to take the extreme) private individuals should not have access to nuclear weapons or rocket launchers. But why is this different to a pistol? Ideologically I suggest it is not, and that an arbitrary line is being drawn by even gun advocates somewhere between “pistol” and “100 megaton nuclear warhead”.

So – that is really what this debate is about. Some of us would prefer that that line was drawn between “pointed stick” and “flintlock pistol”, rather than above “Glock”.

]]> By: Legal Eagle http://www.intelligentdesign.com.au/blog/2007/04/17/with-your-hands-on-your-head-or-on-the-trigger-of-a-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-4483 Legal Eagle Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:33:23 +0000 http://www.intelligentdesign.com.au/blog/2007/04/17/with-your-hands-on-your-head-or-on-the-trigger-of-a-gun/#comment-4483 Great post. I agree with you, Paul - as I have said in my own <a href="http://legalsoapbox.blogspot.com/2007/04/why.html" rel="nofollow">post</a>, who is going to carry a gun to a German tute? And then have the presence of mind to use it? It seems better to me to restrict everyone, even if that means limiting the freedom of all. Great post. I agree with you, Paul – as I have said in my own post, who is going to carry a gun to a German tute? And then have the presence of mind to use it? It seems better to me to restrict everyone, even if that means limiting the freedom of all.

]]> By: Paul http://www.intelligentdesign.com.au/blog/2007/04/17/with-your-hands-on-your-head-or-on-the-trigger-of-a-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-4472 Paul Wed, 18 Apr 2007 06:08:55 +0000 http://www.intelligentdesign.com.au/blog/2007/04/17/with-your-hands-on-your-head-or-on-the-trigger-of-a-gun/#comment-4472 The real problem with the "if they had guns" argument seems to me to be, well, ok, you are a student and you have a gun. So you hear shots, pull out your gun, head into the corridoor, where you see another student with a gun drawn... ...and what happens next? Who is the loony? Who shoots and who gets shot? Or what if the police rock up when shots are heard, and their snipers see a student running between buildings with a pistol drawn - what do you think they're going to do? At the same time, that University of Chicago paper makes very interesting reading, and does seem to suggest that armed civilians are a deterrent. But that doesn't neccessarily invalidate the argument that much stricter controls on access to weapons for everyone might also reduce the problem of gun violence. The real problem with the “if they had guns” argument seems to me to be, well, ok, you are a student and you have a gun. So you hear shots, pull out your gun, head into the corridoor, where you see another student with a gun drawn…

…and what happens next? Who is the loony? Who shoots and who gets shot?

Or what if the police rock up when shots are heard, and their snipers see a student running between buildings with a pistol drawn – what do you think they’re going to do?

At the same time, that University of Chicago paper makes very interesting reading, and does seem to suggest that armed civilians are a deterrent. But that doesn’t neccessarily invalidate the argument that much stricter controls on access to weapons for everyone might also reduce the problem of gun violence.

]]> By: Jay http://www.intelligentdesign.com.au/blog/2007/04/17/with-your-hands-on-your-head-or-on-the-trigger-of-a-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-4471 Jay Wed, 18 Apr 2007 06:03:37 +0000 http://www.intelligentdesign.com.au/blog/2007/04/17/with-your-hands-on-your-head-or-on-the-trigger-of-a-gun/#comment-4471 That is a pretty circular argument - let's stop crazy people shooting each other by ensuring that every one can shoot each other. But apparently, others share this view John Velleco from the group Gun Owners of America is quoted in ABC News Australia as saying "If there were more guns on the campus, students might have stopped the gunman sooner." (http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200704/s1900601.htm) Okay, so we defend such a position on the basis of what argument? The "well he hit [shot] me first" defence? Hmmm.... That is a pretty circular argument – let’s stop crazy people shooting each other by ensuring that every one can shoot each other.

But apparently, others share this view John Velleco from the group Gun Owners of America is quoted in ABC News Australia as saying “If there were more guns on the campus, students might have stopped the gunman sooner.”

(http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200704/s1900601.htm)

Okay, so we defend such a position on the basis of what argument? The “well he hit [shot] me first” defence?

Hmmm….

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